Determinism and Law
Thursday, July 10th, 2008
Laws and penalties are in place to condition us to act a certain way, if one doesn’t act that certain way anyways because other conditions have determined them not to, then they are determined to face the penalties. Them having to face the penalties is designed to reinforce and strengthen the stimuli to increase the conditioning effectiveness of these laws for others. When a person is found guilty, they are guilty of breaking a law in which they had no choice but to break (no free-will). The real failure is on the deterrence systems part as the conditions set in place didn’t work. However, even the systems failure was determined, so it can’t be blamed either. However, the result is that when the law punishes someone, the person being punished is just collateral damage in a cause that has a greater agenda then just the individual.
Take one who has murdered another. In a deterministic environment, the murderer didn’t choose to think those thoughts nor choose to act on them. The thoughts were determined by the conditions of his environment, and the determined thoughts determined his actions. “He” is just the product of his biology’s reaction to his accumulated experiences with his environment. We can’t blame him for being determined to that course. What we are in effect doing with laws and consequences is conditioning people to behave in a way we have deemed appropriate. If they act against the conditions we’ve set forth anyways, we know that there were conditions greater then the ones we’ve put in place that caused that individual to behave the way they did. By making them faces the consequences we strengthen the effect of the conditions we’ve put in place as it serves as a model for others and that individual for future incidents. But was he really to blame, probably not.
This is how laws function from a determinist point of view. However, as you can see in court, People are held responsible for their actions as though they had free-will, as if they had a choice. Some people are thought to be bad people, while others are thought to be good or ordinary people who simply carried out “bad” actions. Carry out too many “bad” or “very bad” actions (“bad” as determined by society) and you may be considered a entirely “bad person.” Because, you are thought to of had control, had free will to choose to be good or bad.
Where from a deterministic point of view, there are no good or bad people or good or bad actions, just actions and reactions, no value. Just as your being came to exist as determined by the conditions of the environment, your action are determined by the conditions of the environment. Everything moved by cause and effect. Not by some mysterious, uninfluenced, uncaused, personally controlled free-will.
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I respect your thoughts… And the fact that you put them out there… They seem very similar to my own. But my own belong in a book located at home lol
Causality does not rule out choice. Choice still occurs and still has meaning even in causality. My decision is influenced not just by outside events but by my own experience and brain-chemistry. My choice is dependent on me, and the choice would not be made if I were a different person.
You also forget the random that exists in nature and lives side by side with causality, causality is not a closed system. So while outside forces give me only two or three choices and my experience and brain chemistry show which I am most likely to choose I can still choose otherwise.
That’s my free-will and it’s empirical, personal, and real.
Can I file claims for wrongful death against another family member?
This is mainly a reply to Draken. First of all your personal biology and everything that have made you the person you are is a part of determinism. It is not an outside factor as you seem to think. Second of all there is no such thing as randomness. Please dont bring kvantummechanichs up cuz there is no evidence for it to be random(nor proved not to be random either ofc). I personally totally agree to everything said in this blog. To “punish” someone for a criminal act should in my opinion not be called a punishment. Since the reason it is working is not cuz ur punishing the person and making him a better person. Its actually all about changing factors. Id love for someone to add me on facebook or so to discuss Laplaced Demon and such problems. regards Alexander Edman 19y.o
Alex, how can we find you on Facebook?