Comments on: Poetics of Poem Perceptions & Sensitive Poets http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/ Portfolio and Journal Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:01:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: megan fox superman pic http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-19708 megan fox superman pic Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:09:01 +0000 http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-19708 Sign: dgcph Hello!!! dvfmt and 1513wntegztcxq and 812 : I love your site. :) Love design!!! I just came across your blog and wanted to say that Ive really enjoyed browsing your blog posts. Sign: dgcph Hello!!! dvfmt and 1513wntegztcxq and 812 : I love your site. :) Love design!!! I just came across your blog and wanted to say that Ive really enjoyed browsing your blog posts.

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]]> By: bert http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-640 bert Fri, 07 Jul 2006 02:35:08 +0000 http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-640 The problem with poetry I think is that you have to enable yourself to achieve a certain "mood", both when writing or reading. I love to write poetry myself, although it's very (even extremely) hard to find the correct words, since I speak Dutch instead of English. When reading someone else's poem, I face the same problem. My improper knowledge of the full vocabulary often makes a poem incomplete or hard to understand. But then again, you write poetry to share your own point of view on a certain aspect of life, covered in your own emotional words. I don't see anything wrong with that. And if you don't like it, you were never forced to read it or hear it... I could write much more lovely poems in Dutch as the ones that currently reside on my website, but I want to create a global-accesible site, so English is the logical choice. About the criticism, it depends on how you interpret it. Do a cross-exchange and try to view to positive as negative and vice-versa. This will certainly improve the way you are able to look upon your own creations. The problem with poetry I think is that you have to enable yourself to achieve a certain “mood”, both when writing or reading. I love to write poetry myself, although it’s very (even extremely) hard to find the correct words, since I speak Dutch instead of English. When reading someone else’s poem, I face the same problem. My improper knowledge of the full vocabulary often makes a poem incomplete or hard to understand.
But then again, you write poetry to share your own point of view on a certain aspect of life, covered in your own emotional words. I don’t see anything wrong with that. And if you don’t like it, you were never forced to read it or hear it…
I could write much more lovely poems in Dutch as the ones that currently reside on my website, but I want to create a global-accesible site, so English is the logical choice.
About the criticism, it depends on how you interpret it. Do a cross-exchange and try to view to positive as negative and vice-versa. This will certainly improve the way you are able to look upon your own creations.

]]> By: Travis http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-637 Travis Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:26:56 +0000 http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-637 Don, I'm glad you liked it and thank you for sharing your thoughts. Don, I’m glad you liked it and thank you for sharing your thoughts.

]]> By: don iannonne http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-635 don iannonne Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:06:04 +0000 http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-635 Wonderful piece here Travis. Thanks for sharing it. Poetry is personal, but so is everything else in our lives. I remind myself that everyrthing I experience is personal. It all comes through me before I know it. I write poetry for myself. It's a part of my daily practice to be and live in a conscious way. Poetry opens my creative and intuitive sides. It gives me balance in how I approach each day. I am always pleased to have others read my poetry. If it touches others, I am always pleased. Wonderful piece here Travis. Thanks for sharing it. Poetry is personal, but so is everything else in our lives. I remind myself that everyrthing I experience is personal. It all comes through me before I know it.

I write poetry for myself. It’s a part of my daily practice to be and live in a conscious way. Poetry opens my creative and intuitive sides. It gives me balance in how I approach each day. I am always pleased to have others read my poetry. If it touches others, I am always pleased.

]]> By: Shirley http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-631 Shirley Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:45:14 +0000 http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-631 I agree Glen! Encouragement and praise are needed in whatever we choose to pursue. Especially in children. The funny thing is, the more talented the writer, the harder it is to comment unless you are equally talented. Therefore, an excellent writer with a shining vocabulary may receive less comments. That does not make their work any less brilliant only less understood by the majority. I have read poetry that was music to my ears but I don't have a clue what was said! I agree Glen! Encouragement and praise are needed in whatever we choose to pursue. Especially in children. The funny thing is, the more talented the writer, the harder it is to comment unless you are equally talented. Therefore, an excellent writer with a shining vocabulary may receive less comments. That does not make their work any less brilliant only less understood by the majority. I have read poetry that was music to my ears but I don’t have a clue what was said!

]]> By: Travis http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-630 Travis Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:41:48 +0000 http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-630 Glen, I can understand that. First get them motivated, then get into the details later. Don't want to scare them away from the start. Makes sense. Glen, I can understand that. First get them motivated, then get into the details later. Don’t want to scare them away from the start. Makes sense.

]]> By: Glenn http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-629 Glenn Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:35:39 +0000 http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-629 I have spent a decade as an efl teacher also which has certainly refined my knowledge of English and it's usage. I concur with kamsins points. I have also seen firsthand the effects of critical analysis on students and their writing (mine and others). In general , constructive criticism is appreciated, but there are some who find it difficult and it results in a lessening of their desire to write. It was also obvious to me that praise for good work (then noted by other students) was as easily as powerful in motivating students to improve. Cheers Glenn I have spent a decade as an efl teacher also which has certainly refined my knowledge of English and it’s usage. I concur with kamsins points. I have also seen firsthand the effects of critical analysis on students and their writing (mine and others). In general , constructive criticism is appreciated, but there are some who find it difficult and it results in a lessening of their desire to write.
It was also obvious to me that praise for good work (then noted by other students) was as easily as powerful in motivating students to improve.

Cheers
Glenn

]]> By: Kamsin http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-628 Kamsin Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:58:51 +0000 http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-628 This is a really interesting discussion. I have taught academic english english to international students and I think what I learnt about criticism and feedback also applies here. At first I found it really hard to get beyond 'well done' or 'interesting' or 'needs work' or whatever none of which are very helpful if they want to improve. You need to break down what is needed to create a good piece of writing. The obvious thing is accurate use of language, in the EFL context that means vocab. choice or use of tenses etc, for poetry the choice of language needs be consistent, for exampe don't use a really coloquial word if the rest of the language is quite formal or vice versa. The next thing is organisation of ideas. In the context of poetry this gets tricky cause in free verse there are few hard and fast rules, but there still needs to be a logical progression of images or whatever. Poetry also deals in things like rhythm and tone, often "bad" or poorly developed poetry in inconsistent in one of these. I'm sure there are more points than this but this is all I can think of right now. Criticism on this level isn't personal and will almost certainly help develpoing poets. It's also quite difficult to do and as a teacher of high level students is a skill I have had to develop. Having said all that, when commenting on a poem on a blog I tend to say something along the lines of what I took from the poem. Which as a reader makes me stop and think about it and lets the poet know what his/her poem said to someone else. As a writer of poetry so far I've only published two on my blog, and don't actually write poems that often. The first received encouragement, which I needed, but I would have appreciated some constructive criticism to let me know if I was on the right lines or not. The second got comments which were along the lines of 'this is what I imagined reading this'. No one "got" the scenario I was trying to conquer up, but that's Ok cause I could've chosen to write prose and explain exactly what I meant. Anyway, I think if you want to develop and improve in your writing constructive criticism is a must. We are usually too close to our own writing to see its strengths and weakness, although again this is a skill that can be learnt. Some trusted readers who can make useful suggestions must surely be invaluable. I've read some blogs which were full of praise and nothing but positive comments but which I felt were stuck in a rut artistically. It's hard to know if a new reader's criticism would be welcomed. I hope that I remain open to criticism, which as long as a reason is given is fine. After all sometimes its's just down to taste, which there is no need to take personally. In conclusion, to critise my own comment before I hit 'Add your comment'. Too long and rambling! This is a really interesting discussion. I have taught academic english english to international students and I think what I learnt about criticism and feedback also applies here. At first I found it really hard to get beyond ‘well done’ or ‘interesting’ or ‘needs work’ or whatever none of which are very helpful if they want to improve. You need to break down what is needed to create a good piece of writing. The obvious thing is accurate use of language, in the EFL context that means vocab. choice or use of tenses etc, for poetry the choice of language needs be consistent, for exampe don’t use a really coloquial word if the rest of the language is quite formal or vice versa. The next thing is organisation of ideas. In the context of poetry this gets tricky cause in free verse there are few hard and fast rules, but there still needs to be a logical progression of images or whatever. Poetry also deals in things like rhythm and tone, often “bad” or poorly developed poetry in inconsistent in one of these. I’m sure there are more points than this but this is all I can think of right now. Criticism on this level isn’t personal and will almost certainly help develpoing poets. It’s also quite difficult to do and as a teacher of high level students is a skill I have had to develop.

Having said all that, when commenting on a poem on a blog I tend to say something along the lines of what I took from the poem. Which as a reader makes me stop and think about it and lets the poet know what his/her poem said to someone else.

As a writer of poetry so far I’ve only published two on my blog, and don’t actually write poems that often. The first received encouragement, which I needed, but I would have appreciated some constructive criticism to let me know if I was on the right lines or not. The second got comments which were along the lines of ‘this is what I imagined reading this’. No one “got” the scenario I was trying to conquer up, but that’s Ok cause I could’ve chosen to write prose and explain exactly what I meant.

Anyway, I think if you want to develop and improve in your writing constructive criticism is a must. We are usually too close to our own writing to see its strengths and weakness, although again this is a skill that can be learnt. Some trusted readers who can make useful suggestions must surely be invaluable. I’ve read some blogs which were full of praise and nothing but positive comments but which I felt were stuck in a rut artistically. It’s hard to know if a new reader’s criticism would be welcomed. I hope that I remain open to criticism, which as long as a reason is given is fine. After all sometimes its’s just down to taste, which there is no need to take personally.

In conclusion, to critise my own comment before I hit ‘Add your comment’. Too long and rambling!

]]> By: Mike http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-627 Mike Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:58:36 +0000 http://www.travisjmorgan.com/blog/2006/07/04/the-poetics-of-poem-perceptions-sensitive-poets/#comment-627 Shirley - I agree! The most fun and intriguing posts I make on my blog are the ones that somebody happens to disagree with. Very interesting dialogue develops out of those. As you pointed out, it's chaotic & unpredictable. We have no guarantee on what response we'll ultimately get to our writing. Shirley – I agree! The most fun and intriguing posts I make on my blog are the ones that somebody happens to disagree with. Very interesting dialogue develops out of those. As you pointed out, it’s chaotic & unpredictable. We have no guarantee on what response we’ll ultimately get to our writing.

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